CMP Filipino Garands: “Rough Shape” 

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During the 2016 Small Arms Firing School at Camp Butner, a representative from CMP shared with the class that they had secured 86000 Garands from the Philippines, many in “rough shape” within the next year or so. He also went on to say they would run out of Garands in the next year or so likely before they had more.

Fast forward a year or so, CMP Garands are not “gone” but they have slowed to a trickle. Gone are the days of piles of Garands at the Eastern and Western games, as in the header.

Over the summer, things started to look grim for the Filipino Garands when, the Obama administration ordered the DoD to stop the transfer of these Garands.

Fast forward another 6 months, with the Obama admin gone, the path seems to be clear for CMP to receive these Garands. Currently they are still in the Philippines per CMP, who will cover shipping, Which means it could be some time until they are in the sales pipeline.

So what does this mean.

  1. Yes, if things go well it looks like there will be at least some new Garands coming to CMP. Don’t expect it to be 86000 Garands still packed in cosmo. There is a good chance most of them are in poor condition.
  2.  No there are still not going to be $220 Korean Garands. Yes they were banned via executive order by Obama and that could at least legally be reversed by the Trump Admin. Even if that were to happen they will not be less than $1000 and they will not be going to CMP.
  3. Even with no Garands that doesn’t mean doom for the CMP. CMP’s mission is not to sell Garands at a discounted price so everyone can have a subsidized Garand. Sales are a fundraiser which supports their mission of promoting marksmanship.

 

 

 

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb: Optics in Service Rifle For 2016

It started as a rumor at Camp Perry, then emails went out,  then official word on the website from CMP. At first there was talk of  a weight limit, now it doesn’t look like there will be a weight limit. Hopefully, we are likely a few weeks away from seeing the new rule book.

It’s time to face it, optics will be allowed in Service Rifle matches next year.

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Read CMP’s statement here:

https://thecmp.org/2016-cmp-rifle-and-pistol-rule-changes/

Note that Mark has stated that the weight limit for optic equipped rifles is no longer going be included.



Take a deep breath, it’s ok.

First things first: “why in the heck would they do that!”

My understanding is that it is driven by the military teams.  The logic seems to be that deployed Soldiers and Marines do not use iron sights.

Josh from CBI at Twentynine Palms with his ACOG equipped M16A4

The A2 has dominated the firing line at Camp Perry for almost 20 years. First accepted in 1986, the A2 is fast becoming  an “old gun” at this point. If the question is “should” CMP allow optics, well, the times are changing. From Springfields to Garands to M14s to A2s, the service rifle community has always adapted. The game is changing with the times; the line might look different but it will still be the game we love.

The skills that made a good marksmen in 1907 with a Springfield and a Campaign Hat will make a good marksmen in 2016 with a optic equipped  A4. 

It’s yet to be seen what scopes will do to scores. Things could be about the same, irons could continued to reign supreme, or scopes could break all the records. It took several years for black rifles to take hold in the XTC world. Personally I think we will see the same thing by the time the NTI comes around with a mix of irons and scopes making the cut.

My Service Rifle 2016

I can’t tell you what the right choice is. But  since I can’t change the rules I’m going to embrace them.

The equipment related rule changes that will matter most to Service Rifle shooters are optics and collapsible stocks.

Sadly as far as for the optics, it’s not as easy as just ordering a 4.5 power scope and strapping it on with your favorite tactical brand of scope mounts. Service Rifle is shot “across the course” (XTC) at 200, 300 and 600 yards. With the exception of some very high dollar scopes most 4 powers scopes have a fixed parallax which poses a challenge. 

After Camp Perry I ordered an A4 flattop upper with a MK7 rail, from White Oak Armament in anticipation of the rule change, and I needed a New Jersey legal upper if I wanted to get serious about EIC matches. I really like this upper it served me well in the late season and now is making it easy to adapt to the new rules.

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Leupold VX-R 1.25-4

I ordered a custom VX-R 1.25-4 from Leupold with the parallax set at 200 yards, this being the shortest distance shot in XTC matches. The logic being that 200 yard parallax is fairly close to infinity so the error at 600 will be minimal compared to the error a user will experience shooting a shorter distance than the scopes’ parallax.

I also selected Leupold’s M1 turrets, I picked these over the CDS turrets as they seemed easier to read and I might be more likely to notice if I missed a rotation of elevation when I moved back to 600, like I did in Maryland.

For the reticle, I went with the SPR-G which is the SPR with the green dot instead of red dot. I’m color blind so seeing red on black is a challenge for me. The SPR has a large circle and hash marks. The hash marks were my primary reason for selecting this reticle.  I also like the idea of the large circle – it might come in handy when trying to square up the target.
 SPR-G at 100 on a SR-1
For a mount I went with a DNZ “freedom reaper” one piece mount. The magic numbers for shooting prone with this scope  seem to be 1.38 or less tall  with a 3 inch over hang. Sadly there are not a lot of options for those numbers. I know some other folks are going with a riser with low rings mounted to that. I’ve had a DNZ mount on my Tikka T3 for many years and it never left me down so I will give it a shot on my service rifle.

Basics to look for in a Service Rifle Scope:

  • 200 or 300 yard parallax
  • Repeatable elevation and windage adjustments
  • 1.38″ or less height over bore mount
  • 3″ cantilever mount.

Magpul UBR Stock 

 

The new rules include language around collapsible stocks now being legal. Frankly this one might be worth waiting to see the rule book on as it not clear if “any” collapsible stock will cut it. I happened to have an extra UBR so I installed one on my Service Rifle to kick around.  As far as stocks go this one is one of the best out there. For one, it’s built like a tank, but more importantly it allows the user to adjust the length of pull while maintaining a constant cheek weld.

A full range report will follow as soon as I can stretch its legs a little. I only have a few rounds down range with the scope mounted just getting a rough 100 yard zero due to the recent weather. My initial impression is that shooting with a scope is going to at the very least be more comfortable than irons.

All in it’s around a $800 cost to upgrade your A4 to be optic equipped, more if you have an A2. Make that $1100 if you want a UBR as well.

If you are new shooter please do not be intimidated by all of this. Get a A4 with a removable carry handle or even an A2 irons will still get the job done.

CMP 1911s and the NDAA: passed the senate, veto threat.

10/22/15 update: The NDAA was vetoed as a whole, not specificity because of CMP. 

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Well, I have some crow to eat. Despite my predictions that the NDAA amendment to allow CMP to sell 1911s was probably dead, it passed the senate Thursday. 

CMP’s Facebook post with the announcement: https://www.facebook.com/TheCMP.org/posts/1199740316719786
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Don’t start sending CMP orders for service grade Colts just yet. What this does is change CMP’s charter so they are not limited to 30 and 22 cal firearms only. It could still be years,  best case, until CMP sells 1911s.

This has to be signed by Obama and he has recently threatened to veto the bill over other issues in the NDAA so it’s still anyone’s ball game. But this is very good news.

Big thanks to CMP for their efforts to get it this far.

Update: The NDAA 2016 CMP 1911 Amendment is….. Not done yet.

11/11/15 update:

The Senate has reached a deal on the NDAA. It still contains the language changing the CMP charter to remove the restriction on 30 and 22 rifles only. 

10/22/15 update: The NDAA was vetoed. This did not pass, if it survives the deal being hashed out in congress is yet to be known.

From CMP:

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https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/

 

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Original post:

The same blog that incorrectly reported an impending flood of $220 Garands from Korea is now reporting that CMP is about to receive a pile of surplus 1911s.

Back in May, an amendment was added to the House version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which would have changed CMP charter to allow them to sell surplus 1911s. There was much handwringing from the ignorant gun control pushers, Obama issued a statement opposing the change and that amendment sadly disappeared from the senate version of the bill.

The only thing 1911 related CMP has for sale currently is a great deal on NOS GI magazines.


The current version of the NDAA can be found by clicking here. There is a game of chicken going on with the NDAA in Washington right now, outside the scope of my blog. However, 1911s or no 1911s there is a veto threat so it’s anyone’s guess what happens next. At this point the bill goes to the house to reconcile the differences so, anything could happen but at least for this round, the chances seem slim.

If there is a ray of hope, it’s that the sponsor of the House Amendement, Mike Rogers, I’m told will be involved in the final bill.  But regardless the 1911s are not going to be imminently “sold off to the public.”


Don’t get me wrong, I want this to happen, it just isn’t going to happen the way it’s being reported by warhistoryonline.com. Surplus 1911s would be great for CMP’s endowment and, therefore good for the promotion of marksmanship and firearm safety, despite the fairy tales Huffington post makes up. (Click at your own risk)

Additionally a good supply of GI 1911s along with some CMP games matches for these pistols, could be just the boost traditional bullseye pistol shooting needs.

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UPDATE 10/8/15

The amendment did make the senate version:

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